Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.

I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.

Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out.

You've never been to 0.0 have you? Almost all alliances set tax rate at their stations for alliance members to 0%. That includes reprocessing and and market tax.

You've never been to 0.0 have you? Almost all alliances set tax rate at their stations for alliance members to 0%. That includes reprocessing and and market tax.

Great, so now someone who runs PI in a quiet low sec system on a small scale basis is screwed.
Now they have to put up PI structures within said quiet low sec system, with a "blow me up" sign on them.

Small scale low end PI in low sec is now dead for small corps.
Once again, CCP has developed something for the huge alliances, and screwed the little guy.

It is one thing to dodge the gankers in low sec to do PI, it quite another to fight alliances.

All hail the megacorps and mega alliances.

Access rights are based on setting a minimum standing but currently the tax rate is the same for everyone who has access.

How about if the "little guy" lives in said (heavily pirated) lowsec system and has always managed to avoid said pirates by being clever (bookmarks of customs offices, cloaky/mwd occators etc)?

And I think you are missing a rather important point for most industrialists I NEED access to the plethora of corporate wallets otherwise administration, tracking cost/expense flow and auditing becomes a total nightmare so joining another corp isn't really an option.

Sure I could join an alliance but why exactly would a PvP alliance want me? And don't say; "So you can sell them those robotics for their POS at a discount!" Because you know what? If I start eating into my margins on that scale I can make as much in hisec without giving up any of my independence. Besides I can do without the drama that large PvP alliances seem to be riddled with.

What gives the little guy the right? His/her ability outsmart and dodge a much larger hostile force out to get him/her that gives them the right. This change means however I will now simply be denied access to the planets and no amount of cleverness will save me. That seems wrong to me.

p.s. if stabbed haulers bother you try a HIC.

OMGWTF..........did you REALLY say that Omen......are you on drugs, pissed up or what?

I am the "little" guy you so insultingly disregard in your response to this question, i started in hi sec, then gathered my resorces and moved to NPC 0.0..........I obviously missed the sign saying " RESERVED SPACE, MEGA CORPS ONLY!!"

Because you make it very plain that you can't be bothered with us "little" guys, should i take my 3 "little" accounts and close them down i wonder?

When i first read your blog i was not happy, now you've added insult to injury......go f**k your self!

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Hey Cail, you know we'll need ten of these damnable structures in our hole and we won't benefit in any way, shape or form from having them? The only thing that will happen is our PI will be screwed while we try and get these over priced pieces of crap in there.

My main char is part of a large 0.0 alliance so i know what the game is about smartarse!

As for "interacting", you should try working 18 planets in a hostile system......there is plenty of "interaction"!

Not sure if dumb or trolling...

Obviously he has an alt to do PI, who is a "little guy".

Troll away.

But on a more serious note, Perhaps if you keep the low-sec customs office NPC owned, but make the tax a bit higher than the high sec tax. OR you could make it so they are owned by the NPC empires that actually hold the sov, and make the tax rate based on standings (even with good standings, the tax should be higher/equal to high sec taxes)

I'm trying to justify keeping the customs offices in low sec NPC owned. The rewards with doing PI in low-sec now is much greater than that of high-sec, as it should be with the risk of dying and all. If the import/export taxes are a bit higher on the low-sec NPC owned customs offices and if they stay NPC owned, people won't whine and complain as they are doing now. just trying to find a middle ground here.

This and:

1. People are doing it because its reliable. It takes a lot of time to set up supply chains for large scale PI operations, it costs a lot up front in isk, rl cash to pay for character training etc. All of the projected income is accounted for well in advance and any disruption to that supply chain results in accounts not being plexed on time and that results in lost business for ccp.

2. PI is a casual pay style. Forcing people in to the blob/sov/pos mechanic playstyle is not 'adding content' to a feature it is fundamentally changing it in to another play style. One that those people do not want or already choose to participate in/avoid in other aspects of the game.

If a group of bored pirates in battleships finds a POCO, they may decide to reinforce it just because they can. I can see these as a way to lure out defending fleets and get more fights, not just for PI reasons.

^ This.

Tax rate is available to you while you are in system but you can see them all on the overview so you don't need to actually fly up to each one. I will cite technical complexity as the reason it isn't initially available to everyone / everywhere but I can also see an argument for exploration as being part of the PI gameplay anyway.

Re comments about not responding, give us some time, today has been a particularly rough day at CCP. We did have a meeting this morning to discuss the many ideas and comments in this thread and some points are being acting on already so hang tight.

I wonder what the impact would be if one of the planet-side structures we get to build when the DUST/EVE link comes live would be a shield generator? The purpose of the shield generator would be to rep shields of the CO at a rate equivalent to 100% every minute, with higher level shield generators simply rendering the beanstalk immune to damage.

You know, so you have to hire Dust Bunnies to go and land on the planet to shut down the shield generator? And they have to do so at the time that your fleet arrives to engage the fully operational deatGÇö sorry, customs office.

let's see: high sec profits * 1.5 (50% increase) * 0.85 (detract 15% tariffs) / (0.90 (high sec profits - high sec tariffs) equals about 1.4, so there's easily 40% more profit in low sec at the taxes you suggest. even upping those taxes to 40% would still give you profits on a level to high sec. Of course, this does not calculate the difference in risk.

Edit: yay, #1000!

I am truly sorry for all the CCP employees that are going to lose their jobs.

However, judging by CCP Omen's responses in this thread, he is totally clueless about this game and how people play it.

I was just wondering if he is still going to have a job within CCP, and if so why ?

dear Via Shivon,

PI is main part of eve, everything in your T2 ship and T2 module is build from materials produced in PI. Without PI you shiny T2,T3 wouldn't evere exist. Enjoy time flying T1 ship with T1 fit, if you think that PI isn't main part of EVE. Think twice before you raise your voice.

Thank you

Everyone from the owning corp may use the customs office but the inventory inside it, like PI, are stored per player.